For at least 2,500 Southern Baptist women, Patterson’s attitudes are an example of a toxic sexism that the evangelical community needs to eradicate. They have signed an open letter demanding Patterson’s resignation from his seminary position. The sheer number of women who have spoken out against Patterson suggests a wider cultural change in the evangelical community, as more and more women — including self-described conservatives — see comments like the ones Patterson made as not just inappropriate but incompatible with their Christian values.

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