"I don’t think the problem is that women aren’t trying [to talk] so much as the fact that this stuff is hard to talk about. Particularly, it’s hard for men to have the kinds of nuanced, challenging, supportive conversations that women have with one another all the time because… a lot of them just haven’t had them before. But the answer isn’t to let men off the hook or give up. It’s to live in reality. And reality is that it’s going to take work to get a lot of men up to speed on how to talk."